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Chicken Pizza
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Posted - 2012.07.31 04:46:00 -
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(no, I don't care if someone already posted this somewhere)
Let's face it. Ratting for security status sucks. It can take hours just to gain 1.0 sec status. Since CONCORD is what punishes you for entering high security space with a low security status, the most logical solution in line with my subject title is to be able to pay CONCORD some ISK for security status points.
Not only is this a fairly logical solution, but it also involves enough realism to actually make some sense. Police, judges, all sorts of officials have been paid off in the past, so it's not entirely unlikely that you may be able to find a special CONCORD agent somewhere who will change your numbers in the books if you grease his/her palms a little.
But wait! There's more! We all know EvE is incredibly imbalanced when it comes to ISK faucets vs. ISK sinks. Now, I would leave it to CCP to decide fair prices for this, but it could potentially be something like the following(numbers are just an example):
Dudeguy has -10.0 security status. However, he may be tired of being a full-fledged pirate and want to settle down for a life of peaceful mining because he is getting old and boring. A certain CONCORD agent may be available, in a CONCORD system station, to help him with this issue for the right price.
After considering his alternative of shooting rats for weeks on end, he decides to use some of his fat cash and go with the...less boring solution. He pays the CONCORD agent 20m ISK per 1.0 sec status just to get back up to 0. He pays 200m ISK and presto bang-o! He's no longer an outlaw!
A large amount of players in EvE have some intensely fat wallets, and this doesn't exclude pirates. This would be a totally optional feature that simply offered itself to those who can afford it(a lot of people). You would still be able to spend countless hours jumping from system to system and killing 1 cruiser if that was your fancy. |
Chicken Pizza
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Posted - 2012.07.31 05:02:00 -
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Balthazar Weston wrote:I think, not straight isk for sec status... but maybe Low Sec Conchord agents who have anti-pirate missions.... instead of getting isk and lp for rewards, you get straight sec status.
So therefore, you mission in low sec with Conchord agents, killing pirates.. and get Sec Status rewards instead of isk or LP. I think it works. You're kinda proving ot Conchord that you're willing to kill pirates, and make up for your wrongs.
I understand the thinking behind your suggestion, but you technically already do that when you kill rats at the belts. And missioning is a monotonous task that people with more dynamic personas, such as myself, really hate doing. This is a much easier solution that isn't so incredibly time-consuming. A large portion of the player base doesn't like missioning, so the best solution would be an option that is agreeable to everyone.
EDIT: The perspective I look at it from is this:
What solution would satisfy the largest number of people in the most efficient way possible? |
Chicken Pizza
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Posted - 2012.07.31 06:36:00 -
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159Pinky wrote:The sec status also shows other players what kind of opponent they're dealing with. You're looking for the easiest way out to look innocent. If you wanna have good standings: work for them!
No, it doesn't. Killboards do that. Sec status is absolutely meaningless when determining what sort of opponent you're up against. A person with negative sec status may be a pirate. But in certain cases they may not.
A really common example is a pirate with a clone in 0.0. He will jump to his bear clone and rat for ISK, getting his sec status to 2.0 or more, then when he comes back how do you judge what opponent you're up against?
My intentions are as stated in the OP. Don't try to put words in my mouth by telling me what my intentions are. |
Chicken Pizza
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Posted - 2012.07.31 06:37:00 -
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Wrath22 wrote:NO! bad post, bad. It would be to easy to abuse the system so i vote no.
Unless you are willing to state examples, don't even bother posting these stupid comments.
How could the system be abused? It's pretty damn straightforward. |
Chicken Pizza
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Posted - 2012.07.31 08:51:00 -
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EDIT: erps. |
Chicken Pizza
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Posted - 2012.07.31 08:52:00 -
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Freir Atram wrote: LOL Dudeguy (ex suicide ganker) wants to settle down for a peaceful life of mining.    Isn't that ironic? 200 mil for -10 sec stat to 0.0 ? ??? Look at Dudeguy's Killboard and sum up the destroyed Hulks and Retrievers e.c.t. There is your price.Im shure you can blow up a lot of Hulks until u get -10 sec stat. No offense Chicken Pizza, i just thought this is pretty funny.
Don't take the figures seriously, though. They were just example numbers. |
Chicken Pizza
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Posted - 2012.07.31 09:01:00 -
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StoneCold wrote:
[...]for 1 or 2 weekends[...]
fixed it for you.
Prove it. Go get -10 and rat for 2 weekends, we'll see how far you get. And Fridays aren't part of the weekend. |
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Posted - 2012.07.31 11:18:00 -
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Tchulen wrote:No. Your idea has been brought up before, shot down before and gone away before.
EvE is a game which has consequence to your actions. What you're suggesting is effectively pay to win. If you want to act like a **** you can but you have to pay for it in negative sec status. The negative sec status and everything that comes with it is the direct consequence of you attacking people illegally.
Any argument of "but I can do this now" falls flat on it's face because you can but the chain of consequence still exists at the moment. In order to do something about your negative sec status you need to put in actual effort. If you were allowed to remove your sec status with isk you're removing the consequence of your actions. You're suggesting allowing people to bypass the consequence chain by buying isk with real money and using the isk to remove the consequence of being a ****.
You might be stupidly rich and not have to use actual real money but if the system is changed for you that is precisely what you are allowing others to do.
No to P2W. No to allowing people to avoid the sensible consequences of their actions. No to stupid ideas.
You don't even know what "pay to win" means. The phrase "pay to win" suggests paying real money in order to have an advantage over other players. You don't have any advantage over someone else by having a neutral or positive security status. You also don't pay any real money for it, either. Granted, you can pay real money for PLEX's, sell them, and use the ISK for it, but you can do that with any ISK-related activity, so whatever point you were trying to make about that is effectively null and void.
You bypass the consequence chain of having to make ISK the grinding way when you purchase a PLEX and sell it for ISK, but I have yet to see you complaining about that. You bypass the consequence chain of being negative security status and entering high security space by simply using a neutral hauler, yet you aren't complaining about that, either.
It sounds to me like you're a regular victim of unfortunate circumstances, and, due to your biased opinion, there is only one acceptable outcome. That's a shame, because if you were open-minded and used more common sense and critical thinking, maybe your killboard wouldn't be so full of wormhole and 0.0 losses. Your opinion isn't qualified here. |
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